Medical Records with claim

drcorp55
Registered: 06/22/10
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07/12/10 #1

My husband is in the process of submitting claim for Hep C, Vietnam veteran served 1968 – 1969.  Discovered in 2005 after blood test for life insurance – he was denied any life insurance.  For years his blood tests always showed the liver enzymes as high, but doctor never recommended any further testing.  He has no other risk factors, had the jet gun injections and was injured in the field…injury was infected and he required addtl treatment for infection at the time.  He is now dealing with the after affects of HepC treatment (glaucoma, fatigue, memory loss, etc).In the process of filing the claim you are asked to attach any medical records…we have his military records, and doctor records from the past 10 years.  Is it necessary to send all the records or do we need to sort through them and only send those that are relevant?  His primary care physician will provide a letter to help his claim.  The whole process is very daunting.  Any advice is much appreciated.
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07/12/10 #2

Prepare for a long journey, ma’m. You will need to obtain your husband’s medical records from his time in service. In the column on your left is a heading titled “SF180-Med Rec” under Print VA forms. Submitting just your civilian medrecs and military records is not enough. You will need to have these records to prove that your husband was injured in the field. I assume that was in Vietnam. If he sought medical help it will be listed in the medrecs.

     You will also need a nexus letter from your doctor-preferably the one you see for his hepatitis issues. The letter must conform to certain standards and the doctor must state succinctly why he believes the HCV occurred during your husband’s time in service as opposed to earlier or later. He also must state he has reviewed all the military and medical records from service, and finally must  state in percentage terminology the likelihood of the disease being incurred in service. Obviously it occurred 40 years ago so this is going to be a presumptive diagnosis. The proper format that the VA accepts is very concise. It must be phrased just so or it will be rejected. The correct phrases are “more likely than less likely”, ” most likely” or “at least as likely as not”. “Probably”, “might have” or “possibly” all are too ambiguous and will be summarily rejected as too vague.
     Go to the Forum entitled VA-Tips and tricks and start on Page 2 with the Introduction and work you way through to Holes in the fabric. This will give you much more information that you’ll need to file and will also elaborate on what we’ve already mentioned above. What you must do is present an air tight case to the VA initially to avoid years of denials and appeals. A little preparation now will stand you in good stead further down the road.
     VA is worse than an insurance company to deal with by a magnitude of 10. They will go to great extremes to find some dirt on your husband. If he even mentioned one time to a doctor that he smoked left handed tobacco, they will turn it into an indictment of his moral character and a possible reason for denial. Their logic runs along the lines of “If he smoked dope then he probably snorted and shot up, too.” I’ve seen cases where a Vet voluntarily sought help for alcoholism with the VA (which they encourage you to do) and they used that as a valid reason for denial based on the theory that if he had a drinking problem then it follows that he had a drug problem as well.
     VA often invites Vets to attend group counseling for drug and/or PTSD issues. Guess what? Everything you reveal there will make it into your VA medrecs! Think twice before answering any incriminating questions. I’m not suggesting you should lie about it but you’re not legally required to answer. You can always answer that question with another: “I’ve already discussed that and answered it in the HCV Risk Factors Questionnaire. How many times do we have to discuss this subject? You’re beginning to become redundant here, sir, and I don’t appreciate your tone.”  That usually puts a fork in it.

     If, after perusing the site here, you still have questions, feel free to ask more. Take a moment to thank your husband for his service to our Country from all of us here. I am so sorry he contracted this insidious disease. I only hope they find a cure soon before we all die from it. Good luck.
drcorp55
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07/15/10 #3

Good information and thank you!  I’ve been working through gathering all the pertinent information (military medrecs and the last 8 years of private medrecs) and my husbands physician, who has been treating him since he was diagnosed with HCV is on board with writing the Nexus in support of his claim.   So if I understand correctly, I need to attach all of this information to the claim.  I will continue to read through on this site – I have the claim prepared online and only need a few more items before I submit.Thank you again.
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07/15/10 #4

Looks good. I assume you are representing yourself in this claim. Smart move. Even if you had a VSO representing you, you would discover that you ended up doing all the paper/leg work yourself. Make sure you get the doctor to write the nexus correctly. This will be the single most important facet of your whole claim. I can’t stress how important this is. Might we suggest you privately email the completed nexus from your doctor to us so we can check it to make sure it will fly with the VA and give you the best chance of winning the first time out? Its purely optional on your part but may save you a lot of time if you have to go to an appeal. Also I might add that if your husband’s genotype is 3a you have a very strong case. Genotype 3a is unique to Southeast Asia (Thailand, Laos. Cambodia and Vietnam) and Australia. That is how I ended up winning my case as I couldn’t find any of my medrecs showing my transfusion. Good Luck.
drcorp55
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07/21/10 #5

That’s interesting about the Genotype.  His is 1b.  If the cause of the HCV is from the air gun injection would the genotype matter?  He was also injured and treated in Vietnam, and ended up with an infection, but the medical people that treated him were americans.  It’s all very confusing to me.  All I know is that I have the application nearly complete and only need to get the doctor to finalize the letter.  I will have you view the letter prior to final submission to the VA.  I filed a claim for my mother last year for aid & attendance…my dad was a WWII vet.  I found that I did all of the work and only had the VSO put another set of eyes to it, but I did all the follow up and leg work.  Seems like a ton of lawyers out there trying to sell the service of helping file VA claims…sounds expensive and duplication of your own work if you ask me.  Thank you!
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07/21/10 #6

I guess I don’t need to tell you that the genotype makes no difference. 3A is an instant winner  like a scratch off lotto ticket if you were in SEA. Notwithstanding that, any genotype is unfortunately a winner. Remember. There are 3 essential elements needed to complete the claim. Proof of an illnesss or disease; an event or injury or diagnosis of the same disease in service (via medrecs) and a clear concise nexus from an M.D. that attributes the disease or illness to the Vet’s time in service. One excellent way to prove the age of the disease is to present proof  via the Stage and Grade of the disease as measured on the Metavir scale as well as the percentage of fibrosis. I assume by now your husband has had a liver biopsy.

     The nexus has to be very concise and rule out any other causes after he left the service. Any hint of immoral behavior or any history of incarceration will be serious grounds for denial. The doctor has to mention that he has reviewed all the milrecs and medrecs in addition to any private doctor’s records. As the nexus diagnosis of HCV is actually speculation, the doctor has to go to great lengths to sound as though it is not speculation, but based on a logical extrapolation of medical evidence. If all the Ts are crossed and all the Is are dotted, then VA will rarely mount a serious offense. However, if you arrive with a lot of Internet articles describing studies done to HCV positive peasants in India and pictures of guys in their skivvies lined up waiting for a jet gun inoculation your claim will fail. If you are basing your whole claim on the idea that this was caused solely by a jetgun then your chances of winning are poor. The injury and infection your husband suffered in Vietnam would be my guess as to a risk factor. Any tattoos while in service or sharing toothbrushes or razors are also vectors for infection which are frequently cited and used to win. I don’t want to rain on the parade ,but after the first jet gun win the VA closed ranks and now routinely denies claims based solely on that defense. There is the occasional judge who doesn’t get the email and rules in favor of the Vet. However, that is becoming increasingly rare. To prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was the jetgun you would have to find the Vet who was directly in front of you in basic training and got the shot right before you all those times. It was done alphabetically so its not an impossibility to ascertain. But it does involve a lot of legwork to find the Vet and convince him to share his medical information with you. If he had HCV and if it was the same genotype as you that would be pretty damning evidence in your favor. Two very big ifs.
     Should you use a lawyer, be aware that the VA limits them to 20% of all you recover when you initially win. If you take your claim all the way to the Court of Veterans Appeals (CAVC) or the Federal Circuit, they will pay the lawyer directly via the Equal Access to Justice Act (EAJA). That is assuming you are indigent, meet other criteria and have a sound legal argument.

 

drcorp55
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08/12/10 #7

I have the doctors letter and would like someone to review.  How do I send privately for review?  Should I attach here?Thank you for all the great advice and direction.I thought of another question as I was reviewing the claim form.  It asks you what disability you are filing the claim for.  Do we put the HCV as the sole reason or list all the other problems caused by the HCV and treatment.  Example being Glaucoma, memory loss, tinnitis (this is not from HCV treatment but over the years has been getting worse and we feel started in the military), etc.  Want to get this as right as possible on the first try.

Thanks.

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08/12/10 #8

I will contact you privately.
AZeeJensMom
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08/13/10 #9

You are in good hands here…..getting it right from the get-go will make a world of difference in your case.     We started with a VSO and ended up on our own….if only I knew then what I know now….ultimately, 7+ years later and my husband is finally sc for HepC….a grant from the Board of Veterans Appeals.

If you need any support or another pair of ears to listen, I’ve been through this same procedure with my own husband.    It’s tough to be the support person – you are not alone.

If there is anything I can do to help you, please let me know.
drcorp55
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08/13/10 #10

Thank you…I wish we knew about this 5 years ago when he was first diagnosed.  It takes so long to gather everything and then wonder if you are submitting everything just so.  I do know these guys deserve it.  Thanks for the offer of support…as I hit the final submit button I may check back with you.
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08/15/10 #11

By all means, please contact us before you push “Print” or Send. We sent you a synopsis on your doctor’s preliminary nexus letter several days ago. We hope you received it.
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Misdiagnosed for RA?

squid_with_dragon
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08/19/10 #1

I was diagnosed with RA when I got out in 1986. I have been getting 40% SC for that.Last fall I was diagnosed with Hep C and the VA doctors told me that I don’t have RA.None of the doctors have indicated that it could have been Hep C that was mis-diagnosed as RA.

I found this from a doctor on the internet:

“Rheumatoid factor is not specific to RA and can be positive in normal individuals and patients with hepatitis C”

Has anyone run into this before? Is there enough medical evidence out there to pursue this?

Thanks…

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08/19/10 #2

Interesting point. I have an elevated RA factor and the M.D.s concluded it was fibromyalgia. It would explain all the aches and pains I and a lot of other C positive Vets suffer.

     How do you want to “pursue” it? RA secondary to HCV? If you are already rated for it and have recently been dxed as in remission, its only a matter of time before VA reduces or revokes  your rating for it. And revoke it they will, Mr. Squid. VA takes great pleasure in reducing ratings- often doing it improperly without due notice and sans legal standing to do so.
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08/19/10 #3

There is no cure for RA. Once you have it, you have it for life. Even when it is in remission, a person should still check positive for RA (from what little I know from just being a patient). When it comes out of remission joints can be damaged. RA can also damage different organs in the body since the immune system goes out of wack when the body attacks normal joints.But I am learning that Hep C affects the joints as well. Also Hep C tosses the immune system for a loop. I am not too impressed with the VAMC lab results. They lost one test already and I had to wait a month before a redo.I could either try to show that I likely had Hep C but it was mis-diagnosed as RA. Or, I could show multiple treatments for RA when it came out of remission during the last 25 years. I had many different blood tests over the years but I don’t know if liver enzymes were ever part of those tests.

It sounds like it may be better to show a 25 year treatment history for RA to keep that rating for SC. Then try to show “most likely” for Hep C because of Munjis and the EMG tests I had in Japan?

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C&P for Hep. C Wednesday

rotorhead
Registered: 04/06/10
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08/20/10 #1

I had my C&P exam this past Wednesday and it went well I hope.The examiner was well educated on this disease. After the 
exam he stated to me “It is more likely than not that you contracted this disease while serving as a medic while serving in the US Army”Next step is hoping that the rater agrees as well. My claim was well documented with medical records, ect. Thanks for the advice I received here on NOD.
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 Remember the line the Chief (Dan George) kept asking Little Big Man ( Dustin Hoffman)? “Does she show great pleasure when you mount her, my son?” We can only hope the VA shows “great pleasure” when they realize they have another Hepper on the SC roles. The wins are too few and far between. If a Vet has a stomach for the fight and many years available to him, he will prevail. We are seeing claims filed in 2003 that were denied finally appearing before the BVA and being granted. We often quote Vet’s odds at 10-12% predicated on the fact that many lose their stomach for this and fall by the wayside. Unappealed claims are the biggest percentage. VA is counting on this as a natural winnowing experience to separate the poker players from the ribbon clerks. Were every Veteran to stay in this for the long run, the odds would probably climb as high as 25-30%. Keep in mind, Rotormeister, not all Vets  had viable, documented risk factors like you. Some Vets have no known causes or risks other than Jetguns. We here believe that is a big risk, but VA holds all the cards in this game. Best of luck on a successful ending, sir. We look forward to hearing back from you.
AZeeJensMom
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08/20/10 #3

Good Luck to you rotorhead….I presume you have a rock solid Nexus ?

NOD is spot on with the sticking it out.    It took over 7 years, but we finally got the dots all connected and BVA returned a favorable decision last month.   Looking back, if the same dots were in the right order to begin with, it may not have taken as long to get the service connection.
Hopefully our past experiences will help Vets today with their claims.
Keep us posted.
AZeeJensMom
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08/20/10 #4

P.S.

I remember your name and went back to re-read your posts.
Keep us posted on your results.
rotorhead
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08/20/10 #5

Thanks all for the replys, yep I realize that the battle has just been joined. I have had this monster since 1973, and would never have had a claim unless I happen on a lab result that the VA NEVER imformed me about.
I just wish I could take these people back in time and let them see for themselves what the condidtions were like back in the late 60’s and early 70’s.
I hope and pray that those who have this dosen’t give up the fight.
If there is anything I can do to help anyone please let me know by PM.Kindest Regards, Dave
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Should I include PTSD in my claim for HCV?

squid_with_dragon
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08/16/10 #1

I put in a claim last week for PTSD and Hep C with a DAV NSO.From what I have been reading in the last couple of days here, it sounds like asking for PTSD at the same time would not help my Hep C claim?I have not had any problems self-medicating so no history of alcohol or drug abuse. No problems with the law either.

I already have a 40% rating for RA. I have had hep c for along time (28+ years) like most of us vets. My symptoms are that I am sick most every day now and I have been quite sick since last year. I think I am past the panic stage now but I have a hard time concentrating and putting forth the energy to work my claim as I am exhausted most of the time.

The NSO (DAV) seems like he knows the game and is familiar with the issues vets have with Hep C.

In my case should I keep the NSO?

My only Doctors are at the VAMC because I cannot afford private health insurance since I have not had a job in about 18 months.

Thank you for being here! I just want to get this claim off to a good start with as few bumps in the road as possible.

squid_with_dragon
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08/17/10 #2

I took out PTSD as part of my initial claim today…I just started the claim last Thursday.From what I have read here, it would be dumb to claim PTSD at the same time. But I do feel dumb most of the time now….wish I could say numb but have quite a bit of pain most every day.Anyway just being able to read about the others here in the last couple of days is helping me cope with this. I have felt “shutoff” and “dirty” for the last six months since I was diagnosed because even the doctors won’t tell me jack about this disease.

Thank God for this forum! 🙂

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08/17/10 #3

You bring up a good point about filing for 2 separate claims that are hard to win on any given day. Hep C will be the most difficult unless you have a hep infection in your medrecs. Failing that, a combat environment, medic or tattoos/STDs are the winners. Jet guns are okay as long as they are a risk factor to be considered in addition to the above mentioned risks. As for the PTSD, inevitably they (VA) will separate the two claims by denying one or the other. You have to be very specific when you appeal by specifying you are appealing both and spell them out to avoid confusion. CAVC case law has decided that if you do not specifically appeal multiple issues. any that you fail to mention are deemed abandoned. PTSD will take a while to develop claimwise  as your stressor will have to be confirmed. Depending on the type of stressor, your claim may go all the way to appeal if it depends solely on buddy statements. We don’t have one of those fancy crystal balls here to prognosticate with. Personally, Dealing with one claim at a time is advisable unless they are related to one another, inextricably intertwined or secondary to the primary disease you are claiming SC for.

    Never let yourself feel disconnected or dirty about HCV. It’s a disease just like any other virus. Imagine how straight guys feel about coming down with HIV. They probably feel pretty dirty, too. If you don’t know how you got it, you can assume it isn’t your fault. The only ones I can conceive of who might feel ashamed or dirty would be junkies. Even we have compassion for them in spite of their life choices. None of us are saints so having the disease is not the mark of Satan. I got mine from a transfusion, but I certainly got the”look”from the doctor in ’95 when the test came back positive so I know how you feel. Concentrate on winning and don’t look back.
     As for using an NSO vs. doing it yourself? Good question. If you feel your SO is competent to do this then go for it. Most Vets discover they end up carrying the water on these things in spite of the SO. The SO often just ends up being the mailman after you give him the info. He/she can be valuable for advice, though. Be aware the Post Office can accomplish the same thing and you can do a certified mail, return receipt requested. VA cannot subsequently deny they received it if they have to sign for it. I had an SO that lost several critical documents or failed to submit them that held up my claim for some time. Ultimately you are responsible for your own claim. Don’t blame anyone else if you fail to file on time. There are no do overs.
squid_with_dragon
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08/17/10 #4

Thanks again!Being diagnosed with HCV is such a huge physcologic blow, yet the VA or the Health Dept. doesn’t work with the patient to really inform them about the disease. I live in a nowhere podunk small town on the plains and there are no support groups or people around me that even know about the disease. I seldom see relatives unless I travel a long distance to see the kids and grandkids.I needed to know what to do around my young grandchildren so I won’t infect them. They only tell you about having protection with multiple partners. They don’t tell you how to go about your normal daily life with your significant other. They used to show us a film on how to duck and cover in grade school, why can’t they show us a short film about living with the disease within the family? Even a 30 minute presentation with Q+A time would help.

All of the information they give out which is very little, is so antiseptic. This is a very personal disease that causes individual and real emotional issues. I think they could easily help us with that when we are diagnosed. Rather than letting us go through a panic stage of “what am I going to do now?”

Thanks for being here for us! 🙂

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08/18/10 #5

Squid…

Good Morning to you.
My husband was dx’d with HCV in 2001 by his diabetes doc who discovered high liver enzymes and told him “Take this report to your gastro doc when you go in for your next colonoscopy, he needs to follow-up on this..”
I will never forget the day he came home and told me what the diabetes doc told him…
We made the appt, and walked out of his office scratching our heads “What is this stuff he’s talking about ? “
We didn’t tell anyone for several months, fear, scared of what people might say…..
it felt like a 2 ton brick was dropped onto our heads.   It was very hard to tell anyone at first, but as we became more educated about the virus our walls of fear started to break down.     After he started treatment, it was evident we had to start letting people know (family knew) as we really needed (especially me) a strong support system around us to help get through the next 48 weeks….
The main thing is no blood to blood contact, do not share shavers, toothbrushes or anything with anyone that could have bodily fluids or blood on them.    You should not be fearful of going swimming with your grandchildren, playing with them or holding their hands in the park.
I was tested when during one of my husbands three times on treatment (yup, 3 times) and I was giving him an insulin injection and when I put the cap back on the needle it poked through and stuck me.    Tests came back that I had been exposed BUT….years prior, I was a regular blood donor and rec’d a letter back from our local health dept that I was exposed to Non-A Non-B Hepatitis and should refrain from donating blood…..I didn’t recall receiving that letter, it was sometime in 1990.
We think I was probably exposed when I used a stipstik to stop a bleed after shaving – one my husband used and this was way before he was ever diagnosed.   Never gave that letter a thought until the needle stick and I saw my doctor who still had a copy in my medical file…
Bottom line is educate yourself….ask for information from forums like this, talk to your family and share with your friends.   People were very ignorant when my husband was diagnosed and there were a few comments made, but overall the support came from those who really cared about us and the others, well….I just made it my mission to educate them and now I share our story with anyone who brings something up – helping others has helped me and my husband.    Through the years since his diagnosis, we’ve started hearing more and more about new diagnoses from folks with HepC.     People are more willing to talk about it and are more open to conversation now.  In 2001 many labeled this a “drug users” disease….just like HIV was labeled.
You live your life, enjoy those grandchildren, your family and friends….ask lots of questions, educate yourself so you can share that education with others and know that you are not alone in this.   You are right, it’s an emotionally charged feeling to know you have hepatitis C and you are entitled to those feelings..we still get them.
I will close in saying that what has helped us the most is educating ourselves and educating our family, friends and anyone who will listen.   Share those feelings, the thoughts, the questions…we are here to listen and assist in anyway we can.
squid_with_dragon
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08/18/10 #6

Thank you! :)That is a very nice reply and I really appreciate your thoughts.
rotorhead
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08/20/10 #7

Squid, very good advice from NOD and Amom, I did the same thing, filed 5 or 6 claims at the same time. It held up my decesions big time. Your C-file is a paper folder that has to be sent to some one every time you have a C&P exam. My understanding is that it is done by snail mail. It is a good move to only do one at a time.If there is anything I help you with let me know. I had my Hep-C C&P last Wednesday. Alot of questions as to where you may have come into contact with the virus. The examiner did’nt seem hostile but keep in mind that they listen to every you say and do.Dave
squid_with_dragon
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08/21/10 #8

Thanks Dave! :)That is good to know. If I would have found HCVETS before I signed over to DAV NSO then I would have started it myself and let you people guide me with it. I am in the beginning of the process. I am waiting for my medical records to show up. You folks have really helped me to formulate a nexus.The three things I have to work with right now:

1) I was Shore Patrol and Master-at-Arms for two years. I did drug busts (one was a heroin bust coming out of France). The dogs would hit on a foot locker or I would find paraphenalia on normal random inspections for drugs. But I don’t know if it is in my service record since it was temporary duty. I will need to look at my service record to see if it is in there.

2) I was injured in a typhoon with a severe neck injury
I was at Yokusuka Naval Hospital in Japan in 1982. They did multiple EMG tests with reuseable needles. I also had one test done at the civilian hospital in Tokyo. Back in the 80s they did not even have disposable needles for EMG electrodes. I had 100s of those reused needles poked into me.

3) MUNJIS
I was in for about 10 years and I went to most of the utter armpits of the earth so I was always getting shots for something.

4) Dental surgery

As NOD was quick to point out: Since my genotype is 2b, number 2 is the most likely culprit of my infection. From what I am finding out, 2b is not likely contracted from IV drug use so number one is probably not very likely. In fact, when you look at the datasets for HCV infection, the most favorable calculation puts IV drug users at something on the order of 2% of the total population of HCV infections. HCV as a STD is like in the hundreds of one percentile. Yet, the CDC lists IV drug use as the primary risk factor and STD is right up there as well. Who is trying to snow who here? 🙂

Anyway, statistical analysis is my fortay. If you folks have some datasets that you would like to crunch please contact me. The bigger the “population” of data the better. Obviously, the government doesn’t want to spend the money on HCV. They throw some of the data out there which is more sparse than it should be, however only a small number of people are able to crunch the data to come up with the correct conclusions. That goes for VA comp as well as SSD.

Thanks a bunch! 🙂

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Medical Records

wekan1
Registered: 08/08/10
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08/24/10 #1

several weeks ago I sent a request for my med recs, yesterday I recieved an envelope from the records division that contained records of several sick calls, some dental recorde and a form from my seperation. What was not there was my enlistment physicals and shot records. Did I miss something in my request(I requested my complete medrecs) or what. Is there something more that I must do?
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08/25/10 #2

Dear Sir,
     Welcome to the VA. Did you ask for these from the VA or the NPRC in St. Louis, Missouri? If you filed the SF180, I would ask them to search again and be specific as to what you don’t have (and need). You may have become another statistic in the machine. Which service were you in? I have seen Navy Vets’ records often left on board ship and thus filed in the ship’s file if she’s decommissioned. I’ve seen Army guy’s medrecs turn up at the last hospital duty station prior to discharge.  Then again, some Vet’s records just disappear into that circular file in the sky never to be seen again. Or, if the VA gets control of them, they may end up on the shredder room floor. You can also check with the R.O. and ask them for a complete copy of your C-File. Be advised that your claim, if you’ve already started one, will come to a screeching halt while they make a copy for you.
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Decision

Janicea6856
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08/01/09 #1

Hi all,
Just wanted to let you know my husband heard from the VA yesterday…  They said he’s 30% and will receive $421/month with back payments from Oct 08 through now….  I applied in Sept 08, and was afraid it would take alot longer than this…  If I can help anyone in any way, please write to me.  I’m glad I found this site and want to thank all of you for your invaluable info and help.  Hang in there, don’t give up….Janice
victim88
Registered: 07/27/09
Posts: 14
09/13/10 #2

good for you and your husband, 30% back pay what about current employment, or did your husband also receive 100% unemployment? or is he still working.
NODManager
Registered: 11/22/08
Posts: 652
09/13/10 #3

Dear Janicea6856,

$421/mo is the amount for Veteran and Spouse only. If you have one child (under 18), its $453/mo.plus $22/mo. more per extra child under 18. The rates for children over 18 and still in school are significantly higher($72).Make sure you are being paid what they owe you. Is the 30% for cirrhosis? Thank your husband for his service to Amerca from us.
jaguar
Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 3
09/14/10 #4

Is it absolutely a must that a veteran has to be represented by a VSO during the filings of SOC’s to the RO ?  My VSO has turned out to be a putz by not filing what I asked of him and therefore, I am filing myself now.  Should I remove his POA and look elsewhere or continue to go it alone and leaving his name on file.
NODManager
Registered: 11/22/08
Posts: 652
09/14/10 #5

Dear Sir,In answer to your question, there is no rule that a Veteran cannot defend himself (pro se) before either the Board of Appeals, the Court of Veterans Appeals or, if you carry it higher, the Federal Circuit. If you choose to do this then you must notify your VSO and the VARO of termination of the POA asap.  In fact, we have helped many Vets accomplish this without representation. After all, when all is said and done, do you notice who has done most of the legwork? Having a VSO is like having a third nut. All they do is push “PRINT” after you type up the pertinent information. I personally got rid of the chowderhead doing my claim (VSO Name removed for low ratings) and went it alone back on 07. I won everything I was asking for on the Hep and PCT and more. Always remember that you have more rights in VA law than regular law. You get the benefit of the doubt, the tie goes to the Vet, and if you represent yourself pro se, the BVA and the CAVC bend over backwards in your favor. Just be careful and keep your wallet in your front pocket. Trust no one but yourself to get things done though. Use certified mail, return receipt requested and keep the green cards they mail back to you. That way when they say they never got it, you can quote them the U.S.P.S. article number, the date it arrived, the name of who signed for it in the mailroom and the airspeed and tail number of the UPS jet that carried it to D.C. And if you don’t think they keep track of that kind of info at the VARO, you are WRONG. I write right on the green card what it’s for- i.e. SOC for PCT, NOD Hep, etc. so I won’t forget.One gentleman we helped just left the VSO on there. His service officer would call him up occasionally to remind him of what a wonderful job they were doing and bring him up to speed on all matter of subjects that he had filed. They were so disorganized, they had no idea that they hadn’t filed anything for him in years. This can backfire on you when you get the monster earlier effective date(EED) going back 20 years. The VSO arrives on your front doorstep with CBS and Katie Curic to interview you and see how you feel about that $273,000.00 back pay check. Hell, they’ll even want all the glory for helping you. Avoid this if possible. File the POA rescission, give the VSO his walking papers and talk to Katie directly.

Keep in mind that this is Just One Vet’s Opinion (JOVO). There are some out there that need alarm clocks to remind them of when to go potty. Representing oneself is not for the weak of heart. As for asking here for help on every single facet and virtually having us do the claim, we are not specifically here to accomplish that. We are DIY helpers and will go out of our way to help you though. Best of luck and ask about anything you are unsure of.

jaguar
Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 3
09/15/10 #6

My sincerest appreciation for the speedy reply to my questions.  Since I have been consistently denied by VA since 1983, and now facing terminal medical conditions and still not prepared to give up the fight until I draw my last breath, I do have a few more questions to ask of  NOD. Since I would have to expose these medical conditions to an “open” audience in order to get your expert opinion, I have to wonder if this is appropiate for this forum.  And while I don’t personally have a problem with this, one has to wonder if NOD does. After more than 26 years, I was finally rated at 60% a few months ago and remain at 60% currently.  Since my questions would require my post to be a bit wordy, I nonetheless would appreciate your thoughts on my situation. On behalf of all of us that benefit from your unselfish desire to help your fellow Veterans,  Thank You !
NODManager
Registered: 11/22/08
Posts: 652
09/15/10 #7

     AHHHHHHHHH! My kingdom for a law degree. Unfortunately, my shelf life sticker indicates that is not an option. Nevertheless, we’ll make hay while the sun shines here. My undying hope is that VA will someday recognize HCV as presumptive for SC given that such a large population of Vets are infected with respect to the rest of our population.  Thank you for your compliment but the accolades go to the progenitor of this website, Patricia Lupole. I and my fellow moderators are just long winded blowhards with a new soapbox to preach from. Allow me to rephrase that. I am the blowhard. I cannot speak for the others.
jaguar
Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 3
09/16/10 #8

Questions needing answers.   Recently filed for S/C for:  Chronic Gastroesophagitis, Moderate Chronic Gastritis, Duodenitis and Intestinal Metaplasia.  These were submitted on the same SOC.  Will VA seperate these conditions ?  Is Intestinal Metaplasia linked to AO ?  Waiting for a response from VA.    Is this violating 38CFR 4.14  ?  Back up and regroup or surge ahead ?   Is there a short version of Extra Schedular that even this jarhead can understand ?  Filed for Left Shoulder A/C Seperation with Osteoarthritis, VA sent letter stating that they are considering that and Peripheal Neuropathy Left Upper Extremity and then asked for further evidence to substantiate. I did not request S/C for PN.  Is this a trick question or do they know something that I don’t ?  Thanks for your help. When the predominate disability picture is severe,  what would be the pathway from this point ?   Bi-lateral Hearing Loss( Static ), service connected, rated at 0%, currently appealed, suggested direction from here ?   Applied for HepC S/C in 2002, (stage 3),denied. Submitted new evidence stating jet-air innoculators in boot camp and Okinawa prior to deployment to Da Nang.  Waiting for initial VA response.  Suggestions ?
NODManager
Registered: 11/22/08
Posts: 652
09/16/10 #9

 You task me, sir. Here is what I do know. Some of your diseases are unfamiliar to me so I will have to pass on them. My forte is the AO group and the Hep secondarys.<<<< Recently filed for S/C for:  Chronic Gastroesophagitis, Moderate Chronic Gastritis, Duodenitis and Intestinal Metaplasia.  These were submitted on the same SOC.>>>>>As I mentioned, I am unfamiliar with this but here’s the important part that will help you. Regarding claims, do not announce a desire to file a new claim on an SOC or before the BVA in the midst of another claim stream. . Your C file can be accessed by only one examiner at a time. Keep in mind that they have a paper filing system. It will conflusticate the RO beyond belief if you don’t follow the program. VA’s screwed up enough as it is.

<<<<<< Will VA seperate these conditions ? >>>>>

It all depends on how you claimed them. Are they listed as secondary to Hep or another claim you have before the VA or are they stand alone claims?

<<<<<< Is Intestinal Metaplasia linked to AO ?>>>>>>

No. Look up 38CFR 3.307 and 3.309. I don’t see it in there.

<<<<< Is this violating 38CFR 4.14 ? >>>>>>>>>>>

38 CFR  part 4.14 is what is known as the pyramiding clause, not to be confused with the Santa clause. Let me give you an example of pyramiding. You cannot claim entitlement to the same symptoms of, say, HCV and cirrhosis. You cannot claim entitlement to PTSD and another personality disorder when the symptoms overlap. You can only be rated on the predominant symptoms of the disease under the proper diagnostic code (D.C.)

Many Vets overwhelm the RO with numerous claims simultaneously. What I have noticed from experience is that the examiner becomes very frustrated and the “I don’t give a $hit syndrome” kicks in. You will often find all the claims in the circular file. My philosophy is one at a time. This is especially true with claims secondary to the big one you seek SC for, like HCV. PN, PCT, DM2, Rheumatoid arthritis and numerous other ailments are related to the HCV but cannot be service connected until the HCV is. Filing them all at one time damages your ability to present them after you’re rated as new and material evidence.  <<< Back up and regroup or surge ahead ?  Dealer’s choice on that one. >>>>>I’ve said my piece on that.

<<<<<  Is there a short version of Extra Schedular that even this jarhead can understand ? >>>

Extra Schedular rating is accomplished by petitioning the VA Director of Compensation and Pension Service. It is not accomplished at the RO level, is not an adjudicative action, per se, and an adverse decision cannot be appealed. ES ratings are reserved for disability scenarios that were never envisioned in a given rating percentage. They require extraordinary circumstances and are very rarely granted. Try the Powerball Lotto. Your odds are much higher there.

<<<<< Filed for Left Shoulder A/C Seperation with Osteoarthritis, VA sent letter stating that they are considering that and Peripheal Neuropathy Left Upper Extremity and then asked for further evidence to substantiate. I did not request S/C for PN.  Is this a trick question or do they know something that I don’t ?  >>>>

Sometimes you file a claim for something and the Doctors discover it’s something else. By law, they are now required to analyze all facets of a claim regardless of whether you specifically ask for it or not. Thus if you claimed HBV SC and they discover its HCV, they’ll just convert your claim over to the latter. Their theory? No harm, no foul. What did you say or imply that would send them down the PN path? Maybe the HCV? My magic 8 ball says “try again later”.

<<<<  When the predominate disability picture is severe,  what would be the pathway from this point ?>>>>>

Follow Ground Control’s advice to Major Tom— Take your protein pill and put your helmet on, pilgrim. No, seriously. If your prognosis sucks and the expiration date on your license plate is coming up, you need to take this up a notch. Contact your congressman and lean on his VA liaison gopher hard. The VA process is very slow as if you hadn’t noticed. Don’t gum up your claim with minutiae of smaller claims that don’t produce anything (like hearing or hemorrhoids.) You can also apply for 38 CFR 20.900(c) requesting advancement on the calender for a decision based on either medical or financial hardship. You will have to submit proof to substantiate this, though.

<<<<<<  Bi-lateral Hearing Loss( Static ), service connected, rated at 0%, currently appealed, suggested direction from here ?>>>>>>

Here’s the ugly truth about hearing ratings your VSO never tells you. VA is fond of handing out 0% hearing ratings like necklaces at Mardi Gras. Reasoning? They do not start issuing compensable ratings for hearing problems until you are totally deaf in one ear and your hearing starts to impact your enjoyment of a KISS concert. When you have about 80 % speech recognition left in one ear, then you may be eligible for 10-20%. You’re barking up the wrong tree here, sir. There’s no money in it. Withdraw your appeal now and wait until you’re ratable (if ever).

<<<<<< Applied for HepC S/C in 2002, (stage 3),denied. Submitted new evidence stating jet-air innoculators in boot camp and Okinawa prior to deployment to Da Nang.  Waiting for initial VA response.  Suggestions ?    >>>>>>>>>

Are you sure you appealed the 2002 filing? If you submitted new and material evidence rebutting the denial of the 2002 filing within one year and they haven’t responded to it yet, it may be time to file a Writ of Mandamus with the CAVC demanding a decision on your claim. That was eight years ago if you haven’t been counting. VA is notoriously slow, but they are not that slow. If your evidence consists of pictures of you and your buddies in white boxers and t-shirts waiting in line for your jet gun date or internet articles saying its plausible (VA FAST Letter), I have some horrible news for you.  Do not hold your breath. The only possible way you can pull the rabbit out of the hat on this is to show a viable risk factor. And by risk factor, I do not mean a history of IV drug abuse in service. If you were in the Marines and you were at Da Nang, smart money says you were out playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey with Charlie around Monkey Mountain or thereabouts. If so, then you were in combat and have what’s known as the 38 USC 1154(b) combat enhancement. If you had contact with other people’s blood or were wounded, your chances of getting SC go way up. If your HCV genotype is 3A, then your claim is already in the bag and you should get that info before the ratings examiner pronto. 3A is indigenous to SEA almost exclusively (Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and RVN or rather the People’s and Jane Fonda’s Democratic Republic of Vietnam). Any tattoos in the Nam? Again, bag ‘em an’ tag ‘em, Gomer. The only viable way to go after a jetgun claim that I can see is to find the guys directly in front of you in all the immunization lines in boot camp orOkinawa. It was done alphabetically so this is not Mission Impossible. Now, if they have the same kind of hep as you (like, say, 1A), then you’ll win without a big fight. Otherwise, I’d have to say that claim, as a stand alone risk based on the jetgun, is DOA. I’m trying not to piss on your parade, sir, but that is the unadulterated truth from what I can ascertain. Unless I have misconstrued some facet of what I have read, I wouldn’t bet on that defense. If you do, then you are going to have to find a doctor and convince him to say that it is “at least as likely as not” that that the jetgun is the culprit. He’ll also have to review all your SMRs, your milrecs, and all your civilian medrecs and rule out any other possibilities and state as much. Pretty tall order.

We hope this clears up any grey areas for you and doesn’t create even more.

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Good News !!

rotorhead
Registered: 04/06/10
Posts: 10
09/30/10 #1

I just received my decision from the V A. Service connected. Yipeeee.
The not so good news is it is at 0%. Which at this time is ok. Got over the biggest hurdle of having it service connected.I am ok with this at this time, I am not having alot of Hep-C symptoms. I just had a appt with Hep clinic and we decided to put off treatment for at least 6 months. I am not showing a big liver problem at this time.Thanks for the advise that you all gave me, I credit that with getting a favorable decision.

Dave

NOD
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09/30/10 #2

Dave– Congratulations. As you point out, SC is the hurtle. Moving up the % scale is a cake walk in comparison. Take a long look at the following:


Daily fatigue, malaise, and anorexia, with minor weight loss and hepatomegaly, or; incapacitating episodes (with symptoms such as fatigue, malaise, nausea, vomiting, anorexia, arthralgia, and right upper quadrant pain) having a total duration of at least four weeks, but less than six weeks, during the past 12-month period 40
Daily fatigue, malaise, and anorexia (without weight loss or hepatomegaly), requiring dietary restriction or continuous medication, or; incapacitating episodes (with symptoms such as fatigue, malaise, nausea, vomiting, anorexia, arthralgia, and right upper quadrant pain) having a total duration of at least two weeks, but less than four weeks, during the past 12-month period 20
Intermittent fatigue, malaise, and anorexia, or; incapacitating episodes (with symptoms such as fatigue, malaise, nausea, vomiting, anorexia, arthralgia, and right upper quadrant pain) having a total duration of at least one week, but less than two weeks, during the past 12-month period 10
NonsymptomaticYou can and should appeal the 0% rating if you feel that your symptoms are more than just non symptomatic. Now is the time for that appeal rather than a whole new claim for increase. If you are satisfied with the 0% then don’t do anything. However, if you are like me and about 80% of the rest of the male population, you are probably macho and don’t admit to fatigue, mental fog or some of the other symptoms of this illness. Just be honest with yourself so you don’t step on your necktie. I’m glad you haven’t started to suffer like some of the more advanced cases we encounter. By now, most guys from the RVN conflict are getting further along with the disease and reaching Stage 3 or 4. Stay as healthy as you can and again, congratulations. It’s good to see a win at any %. You are now one of the lucky 15% who have prevailed against a stacked deck. 
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AZeeJensMom
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10/01/10 #3

THAT is GREAT news !!!
Getting the SC is the toughest part …
Congratulations on your decision.
patrickd3049
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10/02/10 #4

Kudos Dave, It takes a whole lot of guts and tenacity to win against the government pencil necks. You give me more hope. I have been through the year long grind and for me it felt like I had the flu most of the time, though I understand that not all people feel that way.
Make sure that you are completely ready to accept the beating you take. I’m waiting to go through it again with the new ingredient to the cocktail. I understand that it cuts the time in half with a much higher cure rate (hopefully). I was below 50 bugs per milliliter through the entire treatment so I thought that I had it made only to find out that it came back ten fold six months after the treatment (miracle grow?). The doctor said I was a non-responder, BS. It is a good idea to wait until the VA sanctions the new treatment. I am beginning the SC process and I hope to live long enough to receive benefits. Once again, kudos, take good care of yourself, and good luck. patrickd3049__________________
Patrick DeHart
AZeeJensMom
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10/02/10 #5

Dave ….

Good deal on the sc … your right, it’s the biggest hurdle to jump.   My husband very recently received sc for HepC after an almost 8 year battle.  Unfortunately, it toolk going all the way toThe Board of Veterans Appeals who finally made the decision.
I think that if we’d had the correct information from the get-go in his c- file, the claim process may have gone a bit quicker than it did.   A perfect example to have all ducks facing the same direction and all quacking at the same time when the claims process begins.   This web-site has proved to be an extremely valuable resource in my husbands case.   He hasn’t received a rating as of yet however, we expect it soon.  I wish you the best and continued positive health and well-being.
Patrick …
Bravo to you for going through the process of treatment.   It’s very rough, my husband did 2  –  48 week series and 1 – 26 weeks – yep, you read that correctly ….122 weeks total of the juice.   He’s a non-responder and in Stage 4 now but heck it staved off the virus while he was on treatment and his liver had a short term vacation and some RnR.  Miserably so, he had a rough time but made it through ~ somehow.  He’s a brave man and I admire his courage.
As you fa-nagel through the claim process, be sure to keep your ducks all going the same direction, read up on everything you can about filing your claim and be certain to have that all important Nexus to back everything up.    Quite possibly, you already have done all of this and I offer sincere congratulations for following the ever so tender VA protocol ~ and this message will perhaps serve as a guide for the next Veteran who files a claim.   It’s information gathered and shared that helps the next Veteran.   All those who went before us helped us along the way and we are very appreciative, especially to the HCVets  family and friends.   This is a superb group of folks who have paved the way for those who follow.
You have a good positive attitude and I wish you the best … in your health and your claim.
rotorhead
Registered: 04/06/10
Posts: 10
10/03/10 #6

Mom, you are correct about the ducks. If I had not found this web site I would still be floundering in the sea of the VA claims system. Ask NOD’s advice was spot on. I did allot of ground work and had all records that I could get.
Having said that I was very fortunate to have a C&P examiner who was old enough to remember what the Army was like back in that era.
I am very lucky as that my liver function in in pretty good shape. I have a very good Hepitoglist that took my whole medical condition in to consideration and we were able to put treatment off for at least six months.Again thanks to you all for the help and support, I promise that I will pass it along to another veteran who needs the help.Dave
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New and need help please

HepMe
Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 7
12/01/10 #1

Hello fellow Vets.Army Vet here, dates of active service June95 thru Oct97 then in ARNG thru 2003. Already 20% rated DAV for disabilities unrelated to Hepatitis. Recently (like two weeks ago) diagnosed during a routine physical as being Hep C positive. Stunned to say the least! All I know right now is that I have 1a type and my viral load is 3,400,000. Still in shock, not sure about a lot of things. Because I lack most if not all of the serious risk factors for Hep C, my first thought was that this could be service connected. Like many Vets, I had the air jet gun injections done to me, also I had two operations done while on active duty, one of which was done overseas. Also had much dental work performed, some of it overseas. In addition, I was stationed for a full year in Egypt (1996) and it’s my understanding Egypt has the greatest percentage of Hepatitis infection in the world. Worked closely with many local civilians, and it was local civilians who prepared all of my food while stationed there.On the other side of this coin, I recently (within the past two years) had two tattoos done (my only two tats ever) but both were done in what I would describe as clean, licensed, experienced tattoo parlors. I have never done injection drugs, never had a blood transfusion (I don’t think) and never done any of the other activities commonly associated with Hep C. In fact, I made a decision to quit drinking alcohol two years ago, and never looked back. Clearly this was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. In the past two years I have made a bunch of of other really healthy choices too like improving my diet and getting back in shape, I could almost pass a PT today if I had too, always struggled a bit with the push-ups, still do. Anyway, I spoke with a DAV Officer yesterday and officially declared my intention to make a claim for service connected Hep C, as well as a review for increase in my two other VA rated disabilities. My date of claim then in Nov 30, 2010.

I have two appointments to see doctors coming up as soon as I could get them. Later this month I see a GI doctor, and in January I see a Hepatitis specialist at Tufts. I have done a lot of reading and I’m scared and nervous and clueless really. No idea what to expect, if it’s worth it, or if I’m doing it right. I need as much guidance and assistance as I can get. If this is service connected, all I expect from the VA is to take responsibility and rate me accordingly, if it’s not service connected, I would withdraw the claim myself and apologize for wasting anybody’s time. At this point I just don’t have enough real information to determine if I really believe it is connected. Presently I just think it’s possible, if not more than likely. Makes me wonder then, did I file the claim too soon before finding out more from the doctors?

Please help me.

HepMe

NOD
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12/01/10 #2

Dear Sir,

    On the far left margin, under the subtitle of “Print VA Forms” is  a category with “VA Risk Form”. You will eventually be filling this out in the event you file(which you apparently have already). I strongly suggest you acquaint yourself  with it immediately and go over each and each risk factor. Consider them individually and take your time. Leave it for a day and come back and think about it again. You may or may not jog your memory, but you will have given the brain box time to digest the different risks and whether any apply to you. We commiserate with you on your new, unwanted disease as that is what we all have in common here. Forget the stigma and opprobrium that some would attach to this. Your biggest risk factor, as near as any of us can tell, is that you were in the military. Proceeding from there, you can get into subsets of risk such as service in Egypt. 

     First off, your HCV is a blood born, single stranded RNA virus, not the double stranded  DNA type encountered in HAV and HBV. While the B variant is most commonly transmitted via the blood/mucus path, it is extremely rare to unheard of to be transmitted  via the oral/fecal route. That would eliminate your theory of tainted food in Egypt. Analyzing the genotype is another clue. 1A, while not exclusive to the U.S., nevertheless is the predominant type found here. Egypt has a much higher incidence of 1B and 3B. While this isn’t dispositive of your infection while stationed there, it certainly mitigates against the assumption. 

     As for the recent tattoos, while the risk of infection from that vector can’t be discounted, your initial thoughts are most likely correct. The natural fear of many to the HIV/HCV threat has brought about a sea change in the way tattoo parlors do business. Where autoclaves were once exclusively found in hospital and dental clinics, their presence in clean, modern parlors is almost a given in the last decade. You didn’t mention where you had those done, but we will assume it was in the U.S.

     The possibility of your disease occurring in service is probably the biggest risk factor. The extensive dental work you mentioned, is certainly suspect, as the safeguards now in place were not the norm in the mid 90’s. A trip to the dentist today is all the evidence you need to see the disparity in antiseptic protocol practiced then. You described two operations but were not specific. If they involved a transfusion, they are always suspect in spite of safeguards instituted since 1992.

     It is said that fully 30% of HCV infections are never traced to a defined source. These are referred to as Cryptogenic infections and it may be that yours is one. However the jetguns in your case are a definite risk in our minds. If you can have a board certified gastroenterologist certify that: “it is at least as likely as not” (in those exact words)  that your infection was caused by the guns ,then you could win your case on appeal. Read the jetgun BVA decision on the Forums page. They are not precedence-setting decision but are a good road map to accomplishing what you are attempting. In addition you will have to obtain all of your military and medical records from the NPRC in St. Louis and provide them to the gastrodoc for his perusal. Part of the requirements for a nexus letter linking your disease to service entails your doctor stating that he has reviewed these contemporary records from your time in service and stating as much. He must also discuss why he has discarded any other theories or risk factors cogently to make the nexus bulletproof. We cannot tell you how many Vets have lost their cases on appeal for lack of these prerequisites mentioned above. The VA examiner who will eventually rule on your claim will still go out and seek his own opinion from an outside source and review your nexus letter for some discrepancy. Should they find one, all your and your doctor’s hard work will be for naught. This is a recipe. You cannot substitute ” He probably got it from the jetguns”. You cannot make any lay statements of a medical nature in your defense. You are limited in your testimony to what you can ascertain from your five senses. Any deviation from the recipe will make your souffle fall flat.

     To obtain the records we mentioned, look at the left hand margin under Print VA Forms for the SF-180 form and follow the instructions. The delay, from what we’ve heard is currently 2 months +or -. Do not expect your VSO to do this or you may never see them. You are the final arbiter of your claim and responsible for it. If it goes awry, you will have no one to blame but yourself. VSOs are a wonderful invention , but they are absolutely blameless. Become a DIY guy if you can.

      We hope this has been informative and if you have any other questions as your claim progresses, please don’t hesitate to ask us. That’s what we are here for. Do it once and do it right. I doubt you will get any of this advice from your VSO. They are not trained in the minutiae of the claims process. Think of them as nothing more than a mailman to the VA and then make sure they file everything you give them. Its like nuclear compliance. Trust, but verify. Keep copies of everything you hand over in the event they “misplace” it. Never give them originals-only copies. Best of luck and be prepared for a long journey.  —————Sgt. Nod. 

     

   

 

HepMe
Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 7
12/01/10 #3

Sgt NOD,Thank you for the reply. Much information there.I looked over the risk factor checklist and have some questions that maybe I could ask you in a PM?

With regard to the tattoos, both were done in the USA, yes. One in NH, the other in Florida.

With regard to the surgeries I had in service, the overseas one involved the removal of a meniscus cyst from my knee and was done in Tel Aviv in 96 by a civilian doctor I believe. Can’t say for sure but I don’t think blood transfusion was involved.

The other surgery involved the fusion of my right great toe and was done by an Army doctor at Fort Drum in 1997. Again, I don’t think blood transfusion was involved.

I will get grooving right away on getting my military medical records. Will (should?) the DAV already have that because they helped me the first time I filed a VA claim? Does it help that I am already a disabled American Veteran and in the system so to speak? Have I filed this claim too soon? Should I be gathering up info, records, and letters BEFORE making the claim?

Edit: Regarding my theory about food in Egypt, is it possible that a Hep C infected Egyptian cook could have bled into my food and then I contracted it by consumption of the tainted blood? Is that even possible to get it that way?

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12/01/10 #4

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     We can safely say that you didn’t have a transfusion based on your info re surgeries.The DAV does not have the military and medical records unless you specifically asked them to retrieve them. If they had, you would have had to fill out one of those SF-180s at some time in the past. If you had, you would be in possession of them and not the DAV. Remember, they are the mailmen, not repositories of records for Vets. Their job, ostensibly, is to represent you, be it in a courtroom, before a VLJ  or a DRO at a hearing. Ofttimes you won’t meet the guy until an hour before the hearing. Bad idea. That leaves you no time to coordinate your defense and marshal your offence. You should have your battle plan and a synopsis printed beforehand. All too often Vets are not prepared for these encounters. They are not versed in public speaking and feel marginalized by the presence of the SO.  The SOs I have come across often appear to be a bump on the log at these meetings and contribute very little other than support. Perhaps you will have more luck than me. I’m 0/3 with them and 3/3 defending myself.

     Because we are in the midst of two wars, the delay right now on initial adjudications is six to 9 months out depending on the complexity of your case. What, for instance, was your MOS?  Medics are high risk for needle sticks and exposure to blood products. 

     It doesn’t really help you to be in the system other than your local Regional Office aka “Veterans Service Center” in Boston(?) has constructed a file for you for the two prior claims. They have your C-file which contains your military, medical, and VA adjudication records. It is far easier to get them from St. Louis than the RO. To get a copy of your C-File entails closing down anything they are doing with your claim in order to copy it. It’s a paper system and fraught with lost files and accidental destruction of important records. Try to avoid this route if possible. Occasionally, St. Louis will tell you they sent all you stuff to the Local RO. In that case you would be forced to request a copy of the whole file from VA.

     In response to your last paragraph, I would put the probability of what you describe at 1%.  The Hep C virus is very robust , but I severely doubt it could withstand the rigors of stomach acids, bile and the like. It is said that HCV infected blood can dry on a surface and still be viable for three months. I am not a doctor or a scientist so I don’t know the veracity of  this. Trying to base your claim on this tenuous a connection would  be fatal. You would almost have to locate this cook and prove that not only did he have hep, but that it was the same genotype as yours. That’s a pretty tall order.  It would necessitate some expensive airline tickets and a good hotwire.com deal to start with. Again, the odds are astronomically stacked against this idea. Without trying to pry into your private life, we will just say that it wasn’t willful misconduct to contract the clap from ladies with, shall we say, questionable mores. That defense is recognized and many Vets have attained SC via that path. Explaining it to the better half can be daunting, though. 

     You have your marching orders. Now go out and assemble the claim. You appear to be of above average intelligence or else you have a phenomenal spell check program,sir. Assuming the former, we almost want to question your choice of using a VSO rather than defending your claim pro se. 

     We hope none of this conflusticates  you. Feel free to ask more questions as needed. 
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Liver Transplant/HCV

ericdale
Registered: 06/05/11
Posts: 2
06/12/11 #1

Never done this before but here goes. I was Army 72-75,   Ft Knox basic, Korea, finished in Ft Riley. We were given shots by syringe in basic, and the jet gun at Travis AFB before shipping out. Sanitation was not high on the priority list in either place, soldiers faint, they move and bleed and faint and you were responsible to help them to chairs or make them comfortable. Who would have thought it would come to this!I had a physical in 2002 and the Dr knew there was something not right but wouldn’t commit to a diagnoses. In 2005 my wife and I moved to Phoenix area. In 2006 I went to a Dr here for another physical he diagnosed me with HCV. I tried the homeopathic methods which didn’t help. In Jan 2008 I went to Mayo Clinic, they have a clinic just for for Hepatitis. Stage 4 cirrhosis with carcinomas on the liver. Did interferon + rib, non-responder. In 2009 Mayo did an ablation for the cancer and got most of it. Moved up on transplant list and received transplant 7/13/2010.I haven’t been to work in a year (tried but unable). Still have the HCV and its attacking the new liver with a vengeance. Will try the new drugs soon I hope ,there is no protocol for transplant patients, could kill or cure me don’t know. Currently  suffer from the normal things, terrible brain fog, depression,
extreme fatigue and dizziness.I am collecting all the records I can get pertaining to this, 1 or 2 nexus will not be a problem for me to obtain. Hope to have everything by mid July.

About 2 months ago the doctor tried to get my bilirubin down with no success, which left her to tell me if it doesn’t come down she gives me about 60 days left to live. Without any treatment it began to drop to a manageable #. (prayers do work) I hope the new drugs fix the HCV before it completely destroys the new liver. The Dr’s explained that there are no overs for me no more livers for me because my body is destroying this one, so this has got to work. If it does eliminate HCV do I still have a claim? What should I be filing for?

Thank you and god bless you for the help you have given to so many.
Eric Dale

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AZeeJensMom
Moderator
Registered: 01/05/09
Posts: 94
06/14/11 #2

Eric …

First of all, my thoughts are with you for the ordeal you are enduring.  Thank you to you for your service as well.
You should be filing for “what caused” the cancer = Hepatitis C, if that is what caused it.   Be certain to read exactly what the web-site lists as plausible causes, jet-guns are not the way to winner-winner chicken dinner verdicts.   They can be but are tough to prove.   Take a look-see to the left about the Nexus and get your records in order, make sure you have all of them.   Service personnel as well as medical records and be certain the doctor who writes your Nexus indicates they have “reviewed all of the records, including your service medical records”.
Did you receive any tattoos while in service ?   Any transfusions ?   I’m certainly not suggesting that jet-guns are not the culprit but you would have to prove at least a 50/50 chance that one of those who received their shots ahead of you had HepC and you can provide a Nexus to that effect.   Tough to do.  Just something to keep in mind.  Sounds like you have a good, strong team behind you and I’ll be sending a few extra prayers your way each day.   This is a horrible virus.  My husband went through 3 rounds of Interferon/Ribavarin treatment and well, he has progressed to cirrhosis but had he not gone through the 122 weeks of IFN, he wouldn’t be sitting upstairs waiting for his dinner.
I really wish you well, please keep us posted, feel free to ask as many questions as you want to….there are many, many fine folks here that are more than willing to help a Veteran out.  Wives also.
RDMURPHY
Registered: 07/31/10
Posts: 49
06/15/11 #3

Eric I am a fellow vet who also had a transplant due to hepc. In your workup to transplant you had extensive blood draws. Did they type your hepc? This might be one way to attack if it is something other than type 1. Also did you have a biosopy on your old liver? not entirely sure but i think they can get a somewhat timeline on how long you may have had the dragon. not positive on that.Moderator is spot on about cause of your cancer also. My advice is to gather ALL your medrecs, both civilian and military and get a solid nexus letter from a civilian dr and put your claim together like a lawsuit. try to firure out what VA will try to use to deny you and look for means to refute or at least get a balance between pos and neg. After you have gathered all this, file a fully developed claim if you and your advisors feel you have a strong case. The fully developed claim is supposed to be a fast track. Also with cancer you have a legitimate right to file for hardship,which will expedite your claim. I filed in 2008, before the fully devoleped claim came into being and I was granted S/C in 6 months. I was however hospitilazed with hep on active duty. This is an excellent site for support and research into proving your claim. Be happy to try to help anyway i can, these folks have more insight than I do. GOOD LUCK to you sir
ericdale
Registered: 06/05/11
Posts: 2
06/16/11 #4

I have type 1, my bad luck. No tats or transfusions ever, no DUI’s or drug charges, my life has been pretty average. To go back almost 40 years to and remember names of other GI’s is out of the question.  What gets me is I new there was something wrong 10 years ago but the Dr just missed it. I’ll have those records next week. I’m putting together everything I can find in the way of doctors records.
After I have all my records should I seek a VSO (advisor) in the Phoenix area to help me put this together.__________________
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squid_with_dragon
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Posts: 131
06/16/11 #5

Since you were in Korea…NOD has gone over zillions of appeals for the jetguns and he thinks the predominant genotype is 1a for that. In Korea, the predominant genotype is 1b followed by 2a,2b. The same goes for Japan. I have the Japanese bug, 2b.It had been so long ago that when I was diagnosed, I just didn’t remember my hospital stay in Japan. Then it eventually came to me where and when I was poked.
RDMURPHY
Registered: 07/31/10
Posts: 49
06/16/11 #6

Eric, did they do a biospy pretransplant? Or sometimes they will ask you ib you want to donate the old liver for research. They did to me in 2007. you may be able to get some kind of statement from your transplant doctor on age  of hepc. You may consider reading as much of the posts and threads on this site. I belive I saw something on this site about stages of hepc cirriosis and the time required to get there.  lots of good info on this site,experienced people two. as far as  a VSO that is your call. My advice is to gather all your records and start looking. you will need a nexus, probobly from a civilian Doc.  If you are still in contact with your transplant doctor and or the nurse who handled your paperwork you might talk to them and exlain what you are looking for. They may be able to help you or not, however it can’t hurt to ask. My transplant team was world class and were willing to help me get my medrec’s 6 months after transplant. wish you best of luck sir
NOD
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Registered: 11/22/08
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06/17/11 #7

     One minor correction on genotypes. 1B was most predominant in the seventies in Europe. Most of the vets who served there (but not all) have that strain. 1A seems to be dominant in America and always has been. Hence the plethora of infections ostensibly via jetguns.  2A and 2B were seen almost exclusively in the Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Okinawa theatre. 3a was the predominant strain on the Indochinese  peninsula  (RVN, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand). This was true in the 60s-70s but many strains have migrated and hitchhiked to different places now. 1A and 1B are now roughly equal in America., but 1B is still predominant in mainland Europe. 2B is blooming in Africa of all places now, but is still the main strain in Japan. Disease vectors tend to prove modern transportation spreads the strains out. Duh. Nothing gets by those wascally scientists and researchers.
RDMURPHY
Registered: 07/31/10
Posts: 49
06/24/11 #8

Mr Eric, have you filed for SSD.? It will not put in with fortune 500, however it will help pay bills while you are dealing with VA
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Pension vs. Service Connection

6/30/11

I’m at the decision phase for a non service pension for my hep c and or liver issues, im not sure how it was filed by the vso , until i see the decision i wont know exactly. I am sure i am not employable with stage 5 of 6 liver issues.

My question is,,,
If granted non service connected pension can I submit an appeal along with enough evidense to show that it is very plausible that it was service connection. i was in service 74-77 did my basic and ait at ft leonardwood,mo (testing ground for experimental inoculations)  I too shared jetguns. I also had a finger tip amputated and repaired in a dispensery at ft carson co. in 76 so very not surgical environment,, not only that i was a engineer mechanic and part of the knuckle busters and tool/ rag sharers.. what are my options to re-establish service connection… should i persue the hep from their surgury which is documented and claimed at 10% sc.. or go with all the above..email strawmouse922@yahoo.com.

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Lots of interesting questions. Let me see if I can answer some to your satisfaction, sir. Assuming you filed this with a VSO, they will have a folder with all your info at their office. The normal procedure is to burn a copy of everything you sign except maybe the POA and give it to you. Not knowing who/how/ what was filed sounds a little too Helter Skelter for me. We’re talking legal paper here. A filing for NSC Pension is usually not too difficult if you are over 65. As you are 53, you may find they aren’t as warm and fuzzy as they could be. That one is hard to call.

     If you are granted NSC Pension and wish to try to go for a conversion to compensation, you will have to file anew. It will be considered a new claim. You cannot convert to a comp. claim in mid stream as there are two entirely different teams involved in the decision making processes. Either its a Pension claim or its filed as a comp. claim. They are not interchangeable.
     Pursuing the fingertip surgery based on unsanitary conditions is a very difficult claim unless you had two things. A really nice raging strep or staph infection following the surgery would suffice to prove unsanitary conditions and proof of a transfusion would show blood contamination/exposure. Absent that you really have no claim. Proof of HCV in the 70s wasn’t there. The 1992 PCR test for HCV was the first accurate, viable test. If you had Hep B in service and it was documented in your SMRs, you can win with a little work. Getting a nexus will be paramount to winning anything. VA is more willing to accept lay testimony now than they were 20 years ago. Still, it will not win your case by itself. Tattoos or STDs documented in the records will almost guarantee a win with an appeal.
     You use the term “re-establish service connection” and I am not familiar with that. It sounds from your post that you have a 10% rating for the amputated fingertip?  If that is the surgery you feel was responsible for the Hep. then you will need to prove what I mentioned above. If you have no medical training to prove your point they will rip your theory to shreds. I think it goes without saying that a picture of you in your underwear getting a jetgun shot does not comprise positive proof of contraction of this disease in service.
     Get a copy of your service medrecs. You would be surprised what you do not remember about that period in your life. You may also find something useful in there for a nexus. Filing a claim should be like packing and preparing to summit Mt. Everest. You need “stuff”. You don’t throw in a couple of cans of baked beans, a sterno can and some warm gloves. It requires a lot of preparation and a boatload of patience.
    Wait and see what your NSC Pension claim produces. This, if successful, will give you some financial breathing room to formulate a game plan if you decide to go for it. As I mentioned, assembling your medrecs and milrecs from the NPRC in St. Louis is imperative. If you have not done so, obtain them immediately. Google National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis and file for the records. You can do it online now. It takes a few months to get them so start now. We’re not going anywhere unless its to the hospital, so we’ll be here to answer your questions. I think they have good Wi-Fi at the new one near me.
     Happy Forth of July weekend to you and thank you so much for being a real American Patriot. We are few and proud-and rightfully so.
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Thank you for your response..I know I will be in for a battle on proving anything. I like the idea of NSC til filing a new claim. I submitted request for med/mil rec’s too. What gets  me is 67% vietnam era vets are/was stricken with HCV, the Govmnt acknowledged they had issues with inoculation, they used major money to prove and disband the use of those jetguns and methods of administerring. In 92 they accepted responsibility with plausibles yet they NEVER issued any notification to any vet to at least get HCV checked, instead they let it fester to a 30-40 yr of hidden survival of the virus so that NOW we suffer major side effects without a viable means to recovery or compensation.. they say you need proof beyond belief. I have enough proof and so do all the infected and that is NEGLECT.. IF a DUCK LOOKS LIKE A DUCK IT MUST BE A DUCK… I wont let it go unnoticed. thanks and i will keep all informed.

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  The VA is disingenuous at this game. If evidence of a new disease/ injury vector begins to rear its ugly head, the best thing to do in their minds is to bury it. Look at the Agent Orange debacle that went on for years. Nehmer 1 started in 84. Nehmer 2, which resulted in the dam breaking, occurred in 91. 2001 saw an increase in the type and number of recognized AO diseases. Again, this year we see even more added. As you point out, if everyone is falling like flies from Hep., and there is anecdotal evidence that insinuates it may have its roots in service, medical science would normally demand a study to ascertain any correlation to further our knowledge on the etiology. Not so the VA. In their convoluted thinking, there is a) no problem; b) no correlation between the two and c) no need to study this as it may be “plausible”, but has never been conclusively proven. VA Logic triumphs here. They have never done any studies to link jetguns to possible HCV infection simply because they know what the results would be. There isn’t enough money in the VA budget to cover the ensuing flood of claims. No, the best course in their mind is to pay the collateral damage on a first come, first served basis if they must and turn a blind eye to the glaring truth. Its easier (and far cheaper) in the long run to say no definitive studies have ever been done proving a link, than to discover ( read expose) the truth. Denial is more than just the famous river running through Egypt. And, yes, Strawmouse, your work is definitely cut out for you here. We stand ready to assist in whatever way possible.Godspeed and have a happy and safe 4th celebration. Having a minor in Explosives Ordnance Disposal, I know I will be doing my part to make sure America is duly celebrated this year.
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do you know of any real good vet reps in tampa ocala area that would help present a very good chance at getting my claim filed and won? all info is appreciated. Doctors etc,,,

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Actually, no. I live almost diametrically as far away from Florida as one can and still inhabit the lower 48. I am in the Seattle area, sir. I would suggest googling it as I find that works for everything short of a good waffle recipe. Try VA lawyers, Veterans Representatives or possibly VA claims help. I’m sure you will be assaulted with a long list of choices.

     I am off to go clamming before I end up back in the hospital. It seems my autoimmune hep. has decided to make another appearance. Minus tides are few and far between. One must take advantage of them and one’s health while he has it.
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Straw Mouse–Most of the people that hang around here had VSOs that blasted their HCV claims to smitherines! Because when you light the fuse, the fireworks either go off or they don’t. If it doesn’t “go bang” then it is considered a dud! My appointed “Duddley Do-right” disappeared with my claim into the hills and that is the last I  saw of ’em until my appeal date approached after the denial. When I tracked him down for the evidence that he was supposed to supply with my claim I found out he didn’t have any.Good luck in finding a VSO that can help you win your SC claim for HCV. I’m sure they are out there, just that no one has been able to find one yet. Thank you for your service and happy 4th to you and yours!!

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Oh and Mr. NOD’s tricks and tips> A GOOD FOUNDATION

I think that is a good place to start, was for me anyway. Any VSO or Rep what-ever needs to speaketh that language and communicate those issues to you in that manner or they are probably just wasting your time…

Squid

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